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“South Africa was exciting thing and I think we kind of got addicted to it.” – Wat Kyk Jy? interviews Rise Against

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Rise Against launched their brand new album The Black Market recently and we had the opportunity to catch up with Tim McIlrath, lead singer, rhythm guitarist and songwriter for the band. Having met them at RAMfest in South Africa in 2013, Tim was nice enough to call us from Chicago to answer some questions.


griff: Last time we spoke was in South Africa at RAMfest in 2013. Just over a year ago.
Tim: Yeah, that has been a blast and the show was amazing. That trip was amazing. We had a really good time.

Rise Against Logogriff: The strange thing is that we rarely get the opportunity to talk to bands again after they’ve left our shores for the first time. Retro spectively, what from South Africa stood out for you most?
Tim: The people. Everyone was so warm and receptive. Everybody just wanted to show us the country and show us the food and the culture, the scenery and the landscape. All of that.We had a really good time. We consider ourselves seasoned travelers. You know, we’ve been around the world but South Africa was the first for all of us. It was an exciting thing and I think we kind of got addicted to it.

griff: It is not always financially viable to tour countries like ours, but would you come back?
Tim: I think it was? I don’t remember, haha! I would come back even if it wasn’t financially viable. We just had a lot of fun. I’d come back and I know the rest of the guys would too.

griff: You guys are now on your seventh studio album. How has the writing process changed (if at all) in between Endgame and The Black Market?
Tim: Yeah, that’s a good question. This album we did a little bit differently. Normally we get together for like just a month straight and every day it is just kind of: get into a rehearsal space or studio and its just writing. This time in stead of just doing that, we spaced it out. We would like get together for seven days at a time, write a lot of stuff in those seven days in a different city around the country and then we would just disappear for a couple of weeks and then hook back up in a different city several weeks later. And we did it like four times last Fall – once in Santa Monica at the Red Bull studio, once in Texas where our guitar player lives, once here in Chicago where me and Joe live and once out in Colorado as well. Just kind of getting together every couple of weeks with some different ideas until we had about 25 songs.

griff: So spread out time-wise and geographically? Interesting.
Tim: Yeah just to do something a little different you know? And a little change of scenery. Our guitar player lives in Texas, our drummer lives in Colorado. So we went to them and not make them travel. It was a way to go to everyone’s homes but then also to get of our own homes and not have the distractions of your home town.
Rise Against bandgriff: Avoid cabin fever.
Tim: Yeah right.

griff: Technology moves very fast. What do you reckon has sort of been “discovered” between the last album and now?
Tim: Well I think in the writing process it is funny. We’re still… Rise Against is still very anti-technology and not so much as a stance as our complete ignorance on how to use it, haha! It is not an ethical thing. We’re just very bad at computers and ProTools. You know, every band has that one guy who has like, the studio… We don’t have that guy! That guy is not in Rise Against. We’re just four guys you know, plug in our guitars and set up our drums and just look at each other and just play songs like we did it in our teens in the nineties.

griff: Hahha, ja.
Tim: But then of course we get to the studio – of course they’re always on the cutting edge of all kinds of stuff. We use a lot of the Evertune guitars and there is this new bridge they put on guitars which keeps the guitar in tune better so you can spend more time writing and creating. We use these Kemper amplifiers which can emulate any kind of amplifier sound. We use this thing called “the clamp” which helps recording digitally to analog so you can use analog again. So we use these different things to give it a different feel.

griff: I Don’t Want To Be Here Anymore was at number 8 on the iTunes chart the first week. I take it that is your “flagship song” if I can call it that. How do you choose which song is the first single to be released and how do you figure out where it goes into the track listing?
Tim: Right… good question. Uhm… I never weigh into that conversation, I’ll be honest. I am so close to all the songs. I love them all and I don’t care which one is like the gateway drug that gets you into Rise Against. I’ll trust their opinion. We also had a big single called Savior couple of records ago and that was one of the songs that, when I listened to the record, I voted  to take it off the record and afterwards it became successful. Now nobody trusts me to make those decisions at all. So I kind of butt out. The sequencing is also important to us. People don’t buy records any more…
the black marketgriff: And with stuff like iTunes? It still goes in that order?
Tim: Yeah it still goes in the order that we decide. I’m not sure if people listen to the order anymore but it is still important to us. Maybe we’re just old school in that way. Joe’s been really good at sequencing our records. You can always hear that, we usually trust him.

griff: Back to I Don’t Want To Be Here Anymore – it comes across defeatist and depressing. What do you make of the song, and having written it  – the message still comes across – but what do you make of it?
Tim: The title has that negative perception. To me the song is positive in the sense that it is like a wake-up call – that moment when you’re like “I don’t wanna do this” – that realization you’re in a place mentally or physically that you no longer wanna be. Where you wanna escape from and your life starts at that moment. It is that moment where you don’t know where it is that you want to be. You don’t have the answers, the questions – you just took the first step

griff: Like a murky sense of clarity?
Tim: Exactly! And to me that’s the song. That’s the wake-up call. So to me it has some silver lining, some positivity to it.
Rise Against - Timgriff: You also end off the song with a quote from Martin Luther King: “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice”, Do you think that moral arc is getting longer and longer? Is it getting better?
Tim: I don’t think it is getting longer. Maybe it is because I get go out there and play shows and so many fans inspire me and give me hope. The next generation of kids who care about the environment, who are pro-gay marriage, who don’t give a shit about what side of the fence you are on. You lost these things that are changing with the next generation. They’re already happening and as people are getting older and growing up you have a lot of these issues that… you know, nobody from my generation debates climate science, know what I mean?

griff: So following onto that – what do you make of what is going on in Palestine and Israel?
Tim: We’ve all been seeing this story transpire and it is really sad. There needs to be a few wake-up calls in America in terms of our support. I think there needs to be differentiation between what freedom fighters are and what terrorists are, what people do when they’re backed into a corner. The violence there isn’t black and white or bad guys and good guys. It is a lot more complicated than that and I feel like we need to take step back and look at that. Other than that there are too many geopolitical allies involved in this conflict. There are people in this conflict as well and when you bomb without impunity, you’ll keep bombing away. It is sad and unfortunately kind of a tale of our times and how war perpetuates and is still very much a real thing…

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Abbey Clancy – Woensdag se warm bokkie

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Britse goose, gebore in Liverpool
Was in 'n kak girl band, Genie Queen, wat deur Andy McCluskey van 'n even kakker band, OMD gemanage was.
Is getroud met sokkerspeler Peter Crouch
Het strictly Strictly Come Dancing in 2013 gewen.
Eienaar van 'n awesome stel tiete

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Hierdie chick en haar vier tjommies het tickets na Oppikoppi gewen!

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Dat ‘n goose wat nie Afrikaans so lekker kan praat nie vir die res van julle so ore aansit hier op Watkykjy. Laat dit ‘n les wees. Baie geluk aan Lee en haar vier tjommies wat elk ‘n ticket vir Oppikoppi gewen het. As ons julle raakloop koop ons vir julle shooters en bier ook sommer.

Ons het sopas van die foun af geklim met die brasse van Oppikoppi. Hulle het laat weet dat julle seblief water moet saambring. Dehydration is ‘n bitch. Hulle vra ook dat julle stof saambring. Daar is nie genoeg stof op die plaas nie. Daar is ook nog tickets besikbaar – slegs online – so moenie probeer om by die hek te koop nie. Dit gaan nie ‘n fok werk nie. Vir al die info oor die festival, skiet uit na Kry ook sommer die Oppikoppi app vir IOS en Android. Dit gaan jou nogal baie help oor die naweek om te check wie waar en wanneer jol.

En nou die wenner:

Hi Griffin! My Afrikaans is ‘n bietjie kak maar ek sal probeer here and there okay.
My tjommies and i in our mooi-moois vir die saterdag by Oppi. Ons dra zombie outfits because we are the new age Oppikoppi odyssey followers. Ons wil Rave to the fucking grave!!! (har har, get it). Ek is ‘n Oppi virgin so my survival kit has everything i think im going to need. wet wipes, sonbrille, cigarettes, ‘n bietjie vodka, my converse tekkies, dust mask (in dust we trust), sun screen en a bietjie kos om te eet.

pleeease pleaase choose me and my tjommies, we really need these tickets and i can guarantee they they will be fully utilized and exploited because we plan to go ape shit at Oppikoppi 2014 :D

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Pielparade. South African military slang. Ag man, dis lekker innie army!

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(by Casual Jay)

weermag“Pielparade” is an Afrikaans colloquial term commonly used by South African military personnel, especially servicemen and veterans of the old South African Defense Force (S.A.D.F.), which has also entered mainstream South African English as slang. The term means ‘penis parades’ and refers to a range of sexual games or practices in which groups of soldiers participate, supposedly to foster group cohesion. Since pielparade are taboo, and because of the controversial and sensitive nature of the activities of the S.A.D.F. during the final period of the apartheid era, pielparade are rarely written about or openly discussed in public. Pielparade have never been officially sanctioned, and their occurrence largely depended on the predilections of individual section or platoon leaders. Pielparade were also known as ‘spanbou speletjies’ which translates as ‘team building games’ or ‘geesbou speletjies’ (‘team spirit-building games’). Apart from promoting group cohesiveness, the games were also meant to be humorous and to entertain the troops.

The most common game is known as ‘laërskommel’ which literally translates as ‘laager milkshake’ but means ‘circle jerk’ which is when a group of men form a circle and masturbate themselves till they ejaculate. During the nineteenth century, the ancestors of the Afrikaners, called Boers, used to create encampments formed by a circle of wagons to protect them from attacks by hostile African tribes or wild animals. These circular encampments were called laagers in Dutch which the Boers spoke at the time but their Dutch eventually evolved into Afrikaans. The Afrikaans word for ‘laager’ is ‘laër’. The ‘skommel’ or ‘milkshake’ part of ‘laërskommel’ refers to male masturbation and semen which may resemble certain milkshakes.
paratusThe section or platoon would gather in the section or platoon bungalow or outside and create an area called the ‘saadskietbaan’. ‘Saad’ means ‘seed’ or ‘seeds’ but in this context it means ‘semen’, ‘skiet’ means ‘shoot’ and ‘baan’ means ‘shooting range’ or ‘a range for target practice’. The section or platoon leader would order participants to form a circle or line up in a row behind a line in the ‘saadskietbaan’. Soldiers would weeermag ou vlagthen place bets on which participants would ejaculate first, last or furthest. Participants were then ordered to strip naked. The ‘laërskommel’ might be preceded by a ‘worswedstryd’ (see below) or participants were ordered to perform ‘jumping jacks’ or ‘star jumps’ which are a type of physical exercise in which the performer jumps from a standing position with the arms and legs pointing outwards. The purpose of ordering the participants to perform ‘jumping jacks’ was partly to humiliate them and to humour the onlookers because the participants’ penises would inevitably flail up and down or side to side as they jumped. Participants would then proceed to masturbate themselves till they ejaculated. Occasionally, participants would be ordered to stimulate other participants’ penises or scrotum. After the last participant had finished ejaculating, the winnings were then distributed.

Other Afrikaans slang words for ‘laërskommel’ include:
Kraalskommel – a ‘kraal’ is a traditional African village of huts surrounded by a circular fence or it is a circular enclosure for livestock; ‘skommel’ means ‘milkshake’ of which the meaning in this context is explained above.
Kringskommel – a ‘kring’ is a ‘ring’ or ‘circle’; ‘skommel’ means ‘milkshake’ of which the meaning in this context is explained above.
Balskud – a ‘bal’ is a ‘ball’ but in this context it means ‘testicle’ and ‘skud’ means ‘to shake’. The term also occurs in the plural, viz. ballasskud
Saadbomme – ‘saad’ means ‘seed’ or ‘seeds’ but in this context it means ‘semen’, and ‘bomme’ means ‘bombs’.
Saadkannone – ‘saad’ means ‘seed’ or ‘seeds’ but in this context it means ‘semen’, and ‘kannone’ means ‘cannons’.
Saadskiet – ‘saad’ means ‘seed’ or ‘seeds’ but in this context it means ‘semen’, and ‘skiet’ means ‘shoot’.
Saadskietparade – ‘saad’ means ‘seed’ or ‘seeds’ but in this context it means ‘semen’, ‘skiet’ means ‘shoot’ and ‘parade’ means ‘parade’.
Skietpiel – ‘skiet’ means ‘shoot’ and ‘piel’ means ‘penis’.
Toltrekparade – ‘tol’ means ‘dick’ (i.e. slang for ‘penis’), ‘trek’ means ‘pull’ and ‘parade’ means ‘parade’
Draadtrekparade – ‘draad’ means ‘wire’ but in this context it means ‘penis’, ‘trek’ means ‘pull’ and ‘parade’ means ‘parade’
Tottietrekparade – ‘tottie’ means ‘willy’ (i.e. slang for ‘penis’), ‘trek’ means ‘pull’ and ‘parade’ means ‘parade’.

Other types of pielparade:
This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘wors’ which means ‘sausage’ and ‘wedstryd’ which means ‘match’ or ‘game’. Participants would take bets to see whose penises were the longest or shortest or thickest, and the money or whatever was being bet would then be distributed to the winners.

This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘hand’ which means ‘hand’ and ‘stoot’ which means ‘push’. Participants would stand naked in a row and thrust their erect penises in their hands till they ejaculated, basically as if they were having sex with their own hands. Bets would be placed on who could ejaculate first, last or the furthest.

This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘olifant’ which means ‘elephant’ and ‘loop’ which means ‘walk’. Participants would be ordered to stand naked in a column. Each soldier would take hold of the penis of the soldier in front of him by putting his hands between the soldier’s legs from behind, as well as the penis of the soldier behind him. The participants would then be ordered to walk, to the amusement of the onlookers.

This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘kussing’ which means ‘cushion’ or ‘pillow’ and ‘kannon’ which means ‘cannon’. Participants would be ordered to strip naked, make their penises erect and then rub them against a pillow or cushion till they ejaculate. As with other pielparade, bets would be placed on which participant would ejaculate first or last or the furthest.

This game derives from the Afrikaans word for ‘doll house’. A soldier would bring a woman, usually a prostitute, to the platoon bungalow and have sex with her while other troops watch. Sometimes the woman would be aware and sometimes the woman would be unaware that she was being watched. The troops watching would be ordered to masturbate and ejaculate while watching.

flamingo bombsFlaminkbomme
This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘flamink’ which means ‘flamingo’ and ‘bomme’ which means ‘bombs’. Flamingos sleep by balancing on one leg. In this game, participants would be ordered to strip naked and stand on one leg by holding the other leg by the foot behind the back. The participants would then be ordered to masturbate and ejaculate while trying to balance on one leg. The participants had to masturbate with the hand which they did not usually use to masturbate. If the participants failed to maintain their balance, they would be punished with an ‘opfok’ (literally ‘up-fuck’, or ‘fuck up’) which was a series of punishment exercises like push-ups, running, jumping jacks, etc.

This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘swaard’ which means ‘sword’ and ‘geweer’ which means ‘gun’ and is also jokingly known as ‘penis fencing’ or ‘sword-fighting’. This game was essentially a form of frottage; direct penis-to-penis contact, in which participants would use their penises as ‘swords’ in a ‘swordfight’, which usually involved the competitive element of trying to make the other participant ejaculate first.

This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘jags’ which means ‘horny’ and ‘bly’ which means ‘to remain’. The section or platoon leader would order the soldiers to strip naked and masturbate. The participants would then engage in edging or orgasm control which is a sexual technique that involves a high level of sexual arousal for an extended period of time without reaching orgasm. The competitive aspect of this game would be to see which soldier could continue masturbating the longest without having an orgasm.

 Eensame kannon or Lekkende kraan or Kraanspuit
“Eensaam’ means ‘lonely’ and ‘kannon’ means ‘cannon’; ‘lekkende’ means ‘leaky’ and ‘kraan’ means ‘tap’; ‘spuit’ means ‘spray’ or ‘shoot’. In this game, soldiers in a platoon bungalow would be ordererd to strip naked and stand together in a group. Then they would be ordered to masturbate. Whenever a participant was ready to ejaculate, he would have to raise his hand and stand in front of the group so that all of the soldiers could watch him ejaculate. This would continue till every soldier had finished ejaculating.

soggy marieSoggy Marie or Soggy biscuit or Soggy cookie
Marie biscuits are a brand of biscuits in South Africa. In this game, contestants were ordered to ejaculate onto a digestive biscuit or cookie. Whoever ejaculated first was deemed the winner, and the last person to ejaculate was forced to eat the biscuit.

This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘kom’ which means ‘cum’ and ‘koor’ which means ‘choir’. In this game, soldiers would be ordered to strip naked and masturbate. Each soldier had to reach a point so that the entire squad or platoon could ejaculate simultaneously. If a soldier ejaculated too soon, or too late, the entire squad or platoon would be punished with an ‘opfok’ (a series of punishment exercises) and afterwards would have to repeat the ‘komkoor’.

This game derives from the Afrikaans words ‘kom’ which means ‘cum’ and ‘koffie’ which means ‘coffee’. Soldiers would be ordered to masturbate and ejaculate into the same mug or cup one by one. The group would continue to repeat ejaculations till the mug or cup was filled to the brim with semen. The soldier that ejaculated the least would have the mug or cup of semen poured over him by the group.

armyThere are various reasons why pielparade was encouraged, but the overall purpose was supposedly to promote greater group cohesion. Section or platoon leaders ordered pielparade variously to foster ‘gehoorsaamheid’ (‘obedience’), ‘samesyn’ (‘togetherness’), ‘gelykheid’ (‘equality’), ‘eenheid’ (‘unity’) or ‘gees’ (‘spirit’) among their troops. The idea is that performing such a private, intimate act in front of other soldiers would decrease awareness of individual identity and promote greater awareness of group identity, and cultivate stronger bonds of trust, togetherness and mutual respect which are supposedly critical to the cohesion of the platoon. A more skeptical view is that it was a type of indoctrination to encourage soldiers to relent to unquestioning obedience so that soldiers would follow orders that could be interpreted as morally wrong or repugnant. Not all platoon leaders orderered their troops to perform pielparade but it was fairly common at different bases and camps throughout South Africa and the military’s operational area. While pielparade feature a homoerotic element, they may be interpreted an effort to establish heterosexual, masculine dominance within a group. What actually motivates participation is to have fellow men witness and acknowledge one’s sexual prowess, helping to counter feelings of inadequacy related to sex and masculinity. It is also a means of gaining comparative knowledge of, weermag 7or exploring, male anatomy and its functions in an accepted way since many soldiers might not have been exposed to other men’s bodies prior to basic army training.
Since such unethical medical practices as those carried out by Dr Aubrey Levin were officially sanctioned, it is likely that sexual practices or games like pielparade were thus tacitly accepted by military officials as having a factual basis. There is no medical study which proves or disproves that pielparade are effective or ineffective as a means of fostering group cohesion. Nonetheless, the practice obtains.

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